an average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.
on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?
not exactly working out for you guys.
SPFW - I was like you once - defending the J Dubs...... Take it from me - it is futile.... Its a man made religion plain and simple.
When i first came here I was still an elder with the JW helmet on, but in time reality set in.
It is a massive transition from being in to coming out - but me and Mrs Scotsman have no regrets whatsoever.
If you are happy being in, this is fine by me - but do not try an defend the org...
up until now people have just looked at me in a wierd way after i have shown them some bible verses and asked "what does that mean".
i have just resigned as an ms, so i expect things to be a little bumpy from here.
i have such mixed emotions right now, many years in the truth and now the doubts im having are messing up my head.
Many in here have had a similar experience. I resigned as an Elder in 2007 - a very difficult time indeed.
But - there is indeed light at the end of the tunnel.
You will not regret the steps you are taking.
when i first came to this site.
whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.
talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.
Cofty has asked you to convey your thoughts to him by P.M, kindly do so, this thread is not the place for the sort of post you just wrote
Sorry - but are you Cofty's secretary or something - he is quite capable of speaking for himself as has been demonstrated.
And to suggest that somehow my comments are not appropriate for this site but you saying nothing regarding other posts on here reveals your true intent / feelings on the matter.
And I quote the purpose of this forum -
The place to discuss anything relating to Jehovah's Witnesses and the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society
I am interested in helping people escape the Watchtower cult not have meaningless debates.
End of.
when i first came to this site.
whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.
talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.
If I spoke to a believer like that I would quite rightly be hounded for it.
You do and you are....
What an advert for atheism you truly are....
With such sanctimonious contempt for others you could possible convince a current active JW to re-consider leaving that cult.
I think you (and others) need to remember the general purpose / objective of this site / forum.
With master strokes of incomparable hypocrisy you alienate yourself from nearly all others on here.
If you wish to discuss atheism and all its complexities perhaps you should move on to somewhere more appropriate.
when i first came to this site.
whenever i would try to talk about somethign from the bible that the jw's got wrong or reason on a scripture that had so much feeling you would stomp all over it.
talking about "flying spaghetti gods" and laugh at what seemed to be my expense and then leave the thread never to return and add any substance.
Cofty - you are full of degenerate pish.
If being an athiest means becoming like you - no thanks.
so, now that i am out for good, which bible should i read?
there is no way i will read the wt one..so i still want to have a relationship with god but don't know how to choose a bible.
it is very hard to dewired yourself and ,sometimes i feel that i don't have a relationship with him.the what ifs come and go still.last night i was up all night reading and researching , can't shake off the shock still to know ttatt.
I would say the NIV - in my opinion it is the best.
personally, i respect that everyone has choices to believe whatever they want to believe.
i have no interest in joining another religion....what about you?.
Not too fussed about joining a religion.
I can be spiritual without an organisation...
if you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.
this is a game changer.
the bomb!.
Looks interesting - think I will order this book, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
ok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.
the theory of major evolution is crap!
the theory is falling apart.
Crazyguy - I suspect you may be correct........ it is just taking the science community a long time to realise.
i'm trying to figure it out.
if we are just dead then there is no point to anything i do.
i'd like to hope our energy goes somewhere... but, i'd like to examine what somebody presents as proof....
We continue - but I do not know more than that.
As for proof - very difficult. I have read several books on NDEs and at the very least it is thought provoking.
One of the books was written by scientists who approached the subject from the scientific perspective - and they successfully debunked a number of the NDEs mentioned.
But in the end, all of the scientists were of the opinion that "something" survives death - even though they were not religious and perhaps had a pre-conceived idea on the subject.
There is only one way to find out for sure ........
